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07/07/07

Another adoption brouhaha, con't

Posted by : Sandra Hanks Benoiton in Adoption News Blog at 08:48 am , 528 words, 137 views  
Categories: Op/Ed
This is continued from the previous post, where I've been writing about a brouhaha presently taking place in Internet adoption-related places.

A combination of factors has resulted in me being barred from International Adopt Talk. First, apparently, I became persona non grata because I pointed to this post from last week where I addressed the issue of blatant misrepresentation being used to entangle international adoption in the sticky, stinky web of human trafficking in response to someone posting the original article.

I didn't post this on the group because I didn't have posting privileges, but rather sent it to the yahoo mail address listed at the top of the post that posted the original article.

Well! If that didn't raise a stink. It seems I had highly offended the recipient by having the unadulterated gall to try to present a view, and I did that on HER PERSONAL EMAIL. (The caps are in an attempt to convey her rage at my impertinence.)

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I would have apologized for invading her 'private space', but didn't get the chance. Before I had time to get back to that group, I was out.

It looks, however, that my attempt to share notions and information was not the only cause of my immediate dismissal.

On the same group, some very nasty chat was taking on a woman who had posted personal opinions on her personal blog ... gasp! Calling her blog Subversive Writer, it seems she tends to put her thoughts out and about quite a bit in the privacy of her personal public forum ... that rather being the point of personal blogs.

Somehow or another, word spread of her refusal to bow down before the alter of others' angst, and the onslaught began.

As far as I can tell ... and I've only read a couple of her posts ... she's neither an adoptive parent, a birth parent nor an adoptee, and in some books that disqualifies her from forming opinions on adoption at all. I don't see it that way, being a believer in the right of free speech and all, and finding a lot positive in thinking people thinking, even when I don't happen to agree with what they think.

Silly me, I left a comment on her blog.

That sealed my fate, I'm afraid, and the next time I tried to check IAT I was locked out.

I know that just writing about this here is going to increase the frantic jumping up and down, get me the hate mail, put me on the receiving end of name-calling and dirty tricks and so on, but those of us who really do want to have discussions must keep plugging away at our attempts, and continue to point out that intimidation, bullying and gang warfare designed to shut people up is not the way things in the adoption world will improve.

Dialog is a two-way street, and I keep hoping someone with something helpful to say will someday say it, rather than simply scream in my face.

In the meantime, break out the game and play another couple of rounds. I can take it. In fact, that's my job. I'm a mom, you know.



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Comment from: thirdmom [Member] Email
No flaming, just the question I asked previously, which is to help me understand the disconnect between the words you write on your blogs here, and those I read in your comment on the blog in question, which by any account cannot be taken seriously

This would have been a far more appropriate place for me to comment, but I unfortunately didn't see these two posts until after I had added them. Apologies for that.

But since this is a more appropriate forum, I will ask the questions in my mind more directly. Apart from the one above, they're not directed at you, they're directed at adoptive parents generally, in particular those who feel it necessary to debate the adoption experience with adoptees.

Quite simply: Why does our opinion matter when it comes to adoptee experiences? Why do we feel it's necessary to try to change adoptees' minds about their experiences by going into their forums and debating their issues? And frankly why do adoptive parents need to "take sides" on this at all?

The complexity and paradox of the adoption experience is a challenge for everyone. Why not accept our differences and move on from there? We wouldn't create oportunities for the heated debate that's the inevitable result.

Accepting the fact that adoption may not be the overwhelmingly positive experience for adoptees that it generally is for adoptive parents doesn't make those a-parents "anti-adoption." I think if we could eliminate that misconception, we could get beyond the rhetoric and communicate a whole lot better.
PermalinkPermalink 07/07/07 @ 09:34
Comment from: Sandra Hanks Benoiton [Member] Email · http://international.adoptionblogs.com/
I just commented on your comment on the other post where I had mentioned that there is no disconnect between my response to a baby buried alive and name-calling nastiness, but can move the conversation here.

Where in this discussion has anyone tried to change adoptees' minds or debate "their issues"? "Their forum"... the one I was just banned from ... is touted to be for all involved, and no matter who likes it or not, adoptive parents are involved.

Accepting our differences and moving on from there sounds like a wonderful idea to me. Seems that should include fewer personal attacks and less nastiness, though, and I find it surprising when the goose/gander thing bites the dust.

It is abundantly clear that adoption may not be the overwhelmingly positive experience for some adoptees that it is for some adoptive parents ... although there is no shortage of adoptive parents for whom the experience has been very painful and come at great cost, as witnessed on blogs here ... so I don't understand what you mean by stating this doesn't make adoptive parents who get this anti-adoption. We all get it.

Perhaps it's another misconception that leads to communication difficulties?
PermalinkPermalink 07/07/07 @ 09:58
Comment from: thirdmom [Member] Email
You said to me in one of your comments on this blog that "Attempting to highjack a story like this one to discredit me would be passing the limits of belief if I wasn't already far too familiar with the lengths some people are willing to go to push an agenda."

What possible agenda could you mean here other than an anti-adoption agenda? Unfortunately, I am not anti-adoption. I'm simply trying to understand why a paid staff writer for an allegedly professional blog forum would would use the words you did in reference to ANY adoptees, regardless of their points of view.

Regarding the IAT list: IAT is not open in the sense you describe. As the public first page says, "Our primary purpose is to learn from the adult adoptees. Our secondary purpose is to have a safe place to discuss difficult things and ask for help from experienced IA families and adoptees." The lists's guidelines for the list also make it very clear that IAT is not where adoptive parents are to bait adoptees or debate their experiences or opinions. Clearly, privately sending list members links to your own articles which dispute their posts would fall into both of those categories.
PermalinkPermalink 07/07/07 @ 12:56
Comment from: AdoptionBlogs Editor [Member] Email · http://editor.adoptionblogs.com
jpdakota43, I think you are absolutely right. Personalities clashed elsewhere and since one of those personalities was an easily found Blogger at AdoptionBlogs, the clash has bled over to our blogs.

Sad, but it happens all the time.

As for comments being taken down - we only do that on rare occasions.

Thanks for your observation. It was refreshing.
PermalinkPermalink 07/07/07 @ 19:11
Comment from: jpdakota43 [Member] Email
This comment will probably be taken down, but I'm going to post it anyway.
It is my observation that this "brouhaha" isn't so much about adoption as it is about personalities, and maybe the little bit of power that comes from control of what other people have to say or can say by removing posts and restricting access. Or for that matter, deciding not to take posts down or remove access. But, at least it isn't boring, huh?
As an adoptee and an adoptive parent, that's my view. Feel free to remove it. I won't be offended.
PermalinkPermalink 07/07/07 @ 19:17
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